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Legalizing Drugs: The Zero Percent Solution

Back in 2000, I worked for an interesting fellow named Bill. He was mostly a standup guy – straitlaced, religious without being a fanatic, educated by years of honest work, and a great debater. He was also a self-taught constitutional scholar, who carried a pocket-sized copy of the constitution with him everywhere he went. It was worn and dog-eared, and heavily marked up with yellow highlights and multicolor underlines. It was his conversation starter: if he wanted to talk to you about guns, he'd read you a portion of the second amendment. Religion: first amendment. And so on. It was a peculiar hook, but it seemed to work – at least on me. We had dozens of great conversations, and sometimes even broke new ground for each other. I was always challenged to look with new eyes at topics that were at least important to society of the day, if not the grist of seminal American debates. It was during one of these conversations that I first heard talk about legalizing illicit drugs. I have to admit: at the time, I hadn't given the topic much thought. I wasn't a drug user, I didn't know any drug users, and hadn't ever considered legalizing something that was already illegal. So I choked. I didn't know enough to talk beyond the standard fallback platitudes you'd expect when opening a dangerous topic. But Bill was always prepared. He pulled a thick folder out of his desk, and said, "Read through this, then we'll talk." I did just that. The folder was a veritable gold mine of information: the background of the Harrison and Controlled Substance Acts, the role of racism in the criminalization of some drugs, the impact of drugs on culture, the legal costs of prosecuting drug crime, and the ubiquitous War on Drugs that started under Richard Nixon, and gained renewed life under the Reagans. It was a good primer for me, and it armed me to go back and express my first opinion on the topic. It was no surprise that he took a pro-legalization stance – there was a barely perceptible "this is why anti-drug laws are unconstitutional" slant in the reading materials he proffered, so I expected that. But what did surprise me was how incomplete his analysis really was. Yes, he'd gathered lots of data, and clearly had read everything in the folder, so he came out like a shot on why drugs should be legalized. But when I challenged him, most of his arguments fell flat. There was some modicum of logic behind his position, but – like what happens when you ask a devoutly religious person where Mrs. Cain came from – he was quickly and utterly confounded by my counterpoints, and visibly struggling to cling to his ideas. Despite that, there was no clear winner in the debate. We moved on with an agreement to disagree, then never discussed it again. I didn't think much about it after that.

Fast-forward to 2009...

The Legalization Argument...Again

What happens when a bunch of lifelong marijuana advocates have access to the internet, and a web savvy guy takes up the mantle of President? No, this is not the beginning of a killer FrankSpot joke – which, I assure you, would have split your sides. It's a legitimate question. And here's the answer: more than a thousand stoners reach out to the Prez, and suggest legalizing pot as a way to jump start the flagging economy and pump up the federal tax coffers.

"What? Are you kidding me? Wow. How...stupid."

Yes, I was shocked. (And a little less open minded than I would have liked, which is another example of me not living up to the ideals I espouse here, and another opportunity to redouble my efforts on that front...) Here we have a world leader poised to talk directly to the electorate – someone genuinely engaged with, and interested in, the common man's issues – and the sum of some people's interaction is, "Legalize it, maaaan."

Like I said: Wow! Way to represent the needs of your neighbors and children. Way to fix the country. Way to go, boys.

Unfortunately, this newest legalization suggestion didn't fade away at the end of that day's news cycle. Instead, it pushed the war on drugs back into the spotlight, and sparked a new national debate. And although I'm a big advocate of debate, this one rankled me instantly. Not because of the "clever" stoners who touted legal pot as a way to fix the ailing economy, but because it brought out all those folks who pedal the legalization of all illicit drugs as a national cure-all. "Make 'em legal," they shout, "and you can tax 'em, regulate them, put drug dealers out of business, secure the borders, end crime, empty the prisons!" ...and give every Jack and Jill a free pass to shoot up and let the world go to hell around them. Again: wow. Talk about a bad idea. To quote a source I can no longer properly cite: "This is the worst idea in a world of bad ideas..." Why? Read on.

Legalization as Miracle Cure (Or: Doesn't Anyone Actually Think Anything Through in This Country?)

So here we are, looking down at the game board of life, death, law, and social problems in America. And one of the biggest barriers on the board is this thing called illegal drugs. It's a monolith. It drives crime and murder, fills prison, and destroys families and communities. And no matter what you score in the pop-a-matic bubble (props to the makers of the game Trouble!), you won't be able to move enough spaces forward to cross it in your lifetime. That makes it even too big to ignore. Its ominous, seemingly insurmountable size makes it an issue that has to be addressed – definitively! On this, I think we can all agree. The problem starts when we start brainstorming the vaccine. Legalization, more and more, seems to be the "go to" move. And it's just a bad one. Don't believe me? You're not alone. That's why I'm writing. I want legalization advocates to see the Biblical "Where did Mrs. Cain come from?" problem with their plan. I want to loosen their grip on a solution that won't drive the results they're expecting. They can still choose to argue their point and push for their legalization solution, but it won't be because I didn't point out some of the giant flaws in the plan. Let's start with some of the common arguments:

  • We're losing the war on drugs. Drug trade is at an all time high, and drug crime continues seemingly unabated.
  • Our prisons are overcrowded, and arresting drug users just adds to the problem.
  • The war on drugs is expensive, and that money could be better spent elsewhere.
  • More people are killed every year by...
I can't argue with any of these statements. So I'm still in lock step with the legalization crowd. We both understand the problem, and agree that something needs to be done. But when we start talking about how to fix the problem, the legalization crowd goes down paths that I just can't follow. Let's look closer:

We're losing the war on drugs...
Yup. True. There are so many drugs, so many users, and so much corruption that underpins the whole thing. It's a tough nut to crack. But does that mean we should stop trying to crack it? I know some consider analogy to be a weak way to debate an idea, but let's use one anyway. It's hard to housebreak your dog. So, why not just allow him to poop anywhere? Silly, right? Yet, that logic is at the heart of many legalization arguments. You hear similar suggestions where illegal immigration is concerned. It's hard to stop, so let's just stop trying. Here's my question: when did we become a people who don't want to do something just because it's too hard? I know some of you will argue that legalizing is doing something. To some degree, you're right – learning to be helpless, then comforting yourself by adding some cursory rules around that thing you can't control is doing something – but is it the best solution? Is it any solution at all? Isn't it like trying to make a murder a little cheerier and bearable for the victims, instead of trying to stop murder outright? In effect, that's what you're doing here. Not fixing the problems caused by the drugs, but putting a thick salve on the wounds and hoping for the best. Put a pin in this one...I'm coming back to it a few paragraphs...

Our prisons are overcrowded...
Again, true. But the fault always lies with the criminal. Not society. Not the law. We have a very simple system. It's a system that my toddler already understands: if you break the rules, you get punished. Period. It's irrelevant if you don't like the rules. You have to follow them because that's what it is to live in a world of laws. No matter who you are, you should be able to grok this idea. You should be able to put blame for crime on the criminals themselves. They chose to do something they were told was wrong. How is that anyone's problem but theirs? Now, here's a twist: I don't think it's inherently bad to decriminalize something. In fact, I'd say it's a natural part of our legal evolution. Societies outgrow laws, and those laws have be dissolved. However, there's at least one rigorous test that has to be passed before we confer a legal status on something illicit: the decriminalization has to benefit society, not generate a new hazard. Otherwise, all we've done is given one group of scofflaws a free pass. Sure, the prison populations dwindles for a bit, but at what long-term cost?

The war on drugs is expensive...
Yup. It is. But is that really a reason not to fight it? Some expensive things are more than worth the money. Ask me if this is one of them...

More people are killed every year by...
This is a common and completely indefensible, invalid argument. Let's use the perspective of the stoners who wrote to the President last month.

"Alcohol kills more people than pot...so since alcohol is legal, pot should be too."

<Buzz!> Wrong answer! This argument is acutely flawed for several reasons. Here's the big one: pointing out that something legal is more dangerous than the illegal thing you're doing, is actually an argument for criminalizing that other thing, not legalizing your thing. If the goal of law is to protect and improve society, then you should act to prohibit things that hurt society. That's why murder is illegal. And rape. And theft. Let's play with more analogies, and you can decide if any of these make sense:

  • Alcohol kills more people every year than burglary. So, since alcohol is legal, burglary should be too.
  • Alcohol kills more people every year than assault rifles. So assault rifles should be legal...
  • Alcohol kills more people than rape, so...
It's absurd to look at it that way, isn't it? So go all arguments of that nature when our goal is to protect life, limb, happiness, and freedom. A correct argument goes more like this (and forgoes any comparison):

  • Alcohol kills people, so it should be illegal.
Or:

  • Pot doesn't kill anyone, so it should be legal.
I wouldn't necessarily agree, but I'd give you points for forming a valid argument. It doesn't rely on the status of some other thing, but on the inherent merits of your subject. If you want to win an important argument, that's a good rule of thumb to use. Then we could talk about the validity of your point. (Now, just to be clear, I DO know the difference between pot and harder drugs. But in the context of this debate, it's not a valid delineation. If you're high, you've already been compromised – in judgment, attentiveness, coordination, and the ability to follow rules. The degree to which you've been compromised is irrelevant. You know that jerk you see on the freeway every day? The one who's always four seconds from rear-ending someone because he's texting, juggling his Tim Hortons' and morning butt, and took a little too much Benadryl before he left the house? What happens if we also let him blaze up 5 minutes before he slots himself into traffic beside you? I'm guessing that'll end badly more often than not. So, for the sake of this discussion, I'm lumping pot in with every other illicit substance.)

That said, let's get on to my point – why the legalization idea is unworkable.

Legalization Debunked (Or: You Don't Always Get What You Pay For)

So, let's legalize illegal drugs. Why not, right? The benefits are obvious:

  • We can control them; the FDA will make sure they're safe, and of good quality, which will decrease accidental deaths.
  • We can tax them. With the huge interest in drugs, that will be a small fortune, one that we can use for health insurance for kids, and to fix our roads, and create new jobs.
  • No more user arrests. You can't be arrested for buying and using something legal.
  • No more illegal drug dealers – drugs will be legal, so they won’t have anything to sell.
Good arguments, right? Nope. Not even close. They come from the same body of "research" and level of critical thought as the points made by my former boss. On the surface, they may seem to make sense – especially if you've lost a loved one to some form of drug crime or punishment, or are a lifetime democrat – but there's no substance; no depth; no tensile strength. Each argument is insufficient to address the complexities of a legalization scheme. They are dismissive of key facts about human nature, the general order of things, and the business of illegal drugs. They just don't make any real sense when you shine the light of critical thought upon them. They fail on almost every level:

Regulation Can't Work
Regulation is an interesting and tricky thing. Let's for a moment forget the complexities in preparing a drug for public consumption, and skip right to the very nature of a regulation. Regulations are rules – rules that, by default, govern who can sell an item, and for how much, and in what quantity, and on what day, in what venue, and to which consumers. These rules are the problem with regulation. Every rule you create is a rule to be broken, which, in turn is an opportunity for crime. Let's say a legal heroin fix at your local drugstore is sold like this:

  • 5 cc
  • $50
  • Only to people over 21
  • No more than once a day
In the legalization model, everyone says, "Hey, cool," and goes to the drugstore to buy a fix. But, what about the 20 year old who wants 50cc, twice a day? Oops, here comes illegal heroin again, which demonstrates that:

Crime is Fluid
The legalization model supposes that there will be no way for illicit drug makers, importers, and dealers (read: criminals) to make a living. I guess the legalization advocates just assume that all the folks on the supply side of the issue will pack up shop and go work at Wal-Mart. Well, as I just pointed out, EVERY regulation creates an opportunity for crime. And criminals know their shit. They're criminals because they like to be – they like the life it affords them. They're not a group of enterprising rogues who sell drugs as a form of social protest. Don't believe me? Look at DVDs. DVDs are legal, and cheap. Yet, there's a multimillion-dollar illicit DVD trade out there. Criminals realized that people don't want to wait for the official release, or don’t want to pay the studio price. We created a demand, and the criminals rushed to meet it. It would be the same here. That flexibility is actually at the heart of the failing war on drugs. So, yes, there would be a whole host of mainstream consumers who would buy FDA-approved crack. But there's an even bigger population who wouldn't. They're the folks who want higher doses, or more frequent fixes, or are too young to buy drugs legally, or who don’t want their local pharmacist or doctor to know they're stoning up every day. And if I know this, the criminals do too. It’s their livelihood. They can find the illegal outgrowths of every regulation you place. Unless the legalization movement says free drugs of any kind to anyone, in any dosage, and is willing to dispense them to kindergartners, then the problem hasn't shrunk even a little bit. And let's add this: what about all the new drugs? You know, the ones in this model that haven't yet been approved by the FDA, or that are too dangerous to ever be approved. Do you think anyone will want those? Do you think the criminals won't be out there making those? Of course they will. The Feds have stepped on their action, and they're not going down without a fight. At that point, they could cook up a drug with a 50% guarantee of death, and people would still buy it...

Addiction is Still Addiction
Here's one that's underrepresented in every legalization discussion: addicts are still addicts. It doesn't matter where they get their drugs. They have a problem that's driven by a combination of the drug itself, and their own personality/body chemistry. It's not reasonable to expect that addiction will no longer be a problem just because the drugs are legal. I suppose the FDA could try to make all drugs less addictive, but oops, then we've created a new crime loophole – an illicit variant of every legal drug, that has whopping more addictiveness. And I'm not even going to dive into the problem of everyone around you being stoned at any given moment of the day. That makes me positively YEARN for my next 747 ride. (What's that you say? Pilots would never take legal drugs before a flight. Of course they would. You made it legal to do so. And people who take drugs tend to suffer from bad judgment – not necessarily before taking them, but certainly afterward. Maybe as part of this plan, we can test everyone for drug levels every morning before work. That wouldn't have any negative impact on our economy or society, would it? And before you talk about punishment for those who break the rules, if I hear you right, you're talking about a form of criminalizing drug use again...interesting catch 22, huh?).

Legal Drugs Aren't Free (Or: Where Does the Money Come From?)
Here's another one that the legalization crowd ignores: drugs aren't free. This is an important point, since the plan includes taxes on drug sales. What happens to the folks who can't afford to buy them, legal or not? Do you suppose they're just going to forgo their daily fixes? My guess is that they'll do what they do now: lie, cheat, and steal. Drugs are a powerful draw, and heavy drug users aren't deterred by empty wallets. The fact is that it won't matter if they're stealing to pay the pharmacist or the Columbian on the street corner. People are still being victimized to support a drug habit.

Flash Forward: The (Crime Free?) World of Tomorrow

So: now we've legalized drugs. In the ideal model, we've changed the face of the most common drug user. Instead of a gaunt trembling junkie cowering in a dark alley, it's the honorable Reverend Godfearing and his wife, Prudence, snorting coke with Mr. and Mrs. WASP from the country club. And they're not doing anyone any harm, so all is good, right? But let's look out the window:

Oops! Look at that. The problem is still there. The criminals didn't go straight after all – they're smiling across the border as drug mules deliver their quadruple-strength cocaine (now with fresh pine scent!) to the US border guards who want to buy bigger sailboats than they can afford on public servant salaries. And the kids who aren't old enough to buy and use all those newly legal drugs aren't saving up to get high on their 21st birthday. They're under the bleachers getting high today on the ULTRA-POT that was grown in the house across the street – the one with the garbage-bag covered windows, and daily foot traffic that's on par with that of an urban shopping mall. Welcome to the safe, clean, crime-free world of legalized drugs.

Okay, maybe that last paragraph was a little more Harlan Ellison than it should have been. But I wrote it so to drive home my main point. You can't win the war on drugs through legalization and capitulation. You can't regulate the problem away, and there's no level of concession to the destructive nature of drugs that has any positive impact. It's a zero-percent solution, even before you invoke the more obvious unmitigated problems in the plan, like its impact on employment and poverty, quality of goods and services, or public health and the cost of medical insurance. In the end, the whole notion of legalization leads nowhere good. Crime rebounds, prison populations stay high, and our society pays an even higher price than it pays today. As the national debate continues, I hope the fundamental truths I've described here start to ring in everyone's ears. I hope that the smartest of us, especially those who hadn't thought deeply about the subject before the conversation went public, will realize the folly of legalization as a salve, and lead us down a better path.

Then, hopefully, this will never come up again.

Thanks for reading. Peace.

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just_say_NO · 832 weeks ago

I couldn't agree more with this. Those 'legalization nuts' have it all wrong. We shouldn't stop fighting against drugs just because it's hard. We should keep doing it because it's right. I don't want to live in a world where getting stoned is 'the norm.' And I wonder how many of those wingnuts have kids? Are they okay with their 14 year old daughter doing ecstacy at a block party? How much safe sex do they think she'll practice? I wish people would think before they speak, and then maybe not speak at all...
First - I like your post and really appreciate the effort you've put into clearly stating your position. But with all due respect, I still think you're missing the key point of the legalization argument. And it is this: the illegality of drugs is not (and will never be) a deterrent to people who choose to use them. Think about that for a moment. Do you not do drugs simply because they're illegal? Would you begin using drugs if they were legal? Do you think that anyone that would like to try illegal drugs at this moment would have any problems finding and buying them almost immediately, regardless of their location or socio-economic status? The answer to all of those questions is an obvious "no." Once you acknowledge that reality, you're hard-pressed to find valid arguments for maintaining the status quo.

Of course, drugs are horrible - for adults, for kids, for anyone dumb enough to make them a part of their lives. But you can't legislate against that kind of stupidity when the drugs are universally available and that availability simply cannot be controlled. You can educate people and help them understand the realities of drug use, which is far beyond "just say no." Attempting to control the situation with countless laws and enforcement strategies is failing miserably. How much more money and lives need to be wasted trying to "fight" something that is simply going to come down to a personal decision for every one of us.

Prohibition was a miserable failure in this country, resulting in widespread gang activity and violence. Alcohol was re-legalized and the situation became manageable. Drugs are currently legal (to varying degrees) in developed, modern nations around the world. The model is out there and it works. What we're doing now clearly doesn't work and - in fact - fails on practically every level.

I'm not necessarily advocating a blanket "all drugs are now legal" approach. The process would have to be carefully and slowly implemented. If it starts to break down, then by all means, resume the "War on Drugs."

Keep up the provocative posts!
Here's for all pot smokers who think smoking that is healthier than smoking cigarettes: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31766234/ns/health-mo...
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overcriminalized · 817 weeks ago

Frank, you make some good points. I'm not a drug user, nor am I much of a debater - I guess I'm more of an economist. But my views differ from yours, and here's what's on my heart.

I think all drugs should be legalized, and regulated for the purpose of controlling quality. And that drugs should be sold like alcohol or cigarettes - over the counter, taxed and to responsible adults.

Presently, black market prices of pain killers and steroids is roughly half to a third that of white market prices. Legalization would reduce prices and allow officials to at least assure the distribution of such products to responsible adults and reduce illicit drug trade violent crime.

I dont think people should be imprisoned for wanting to improve the quality of their lives through drugs. And just as education and adiction treatments have helped people make better choices regarding the over consumption of alchol, so too would doing so help people understand safe and responsible doses of other drugs.

Declaring all drugs illegal creates an information vacuum and helps the promotion of disinformation regarding safe and effective dosages of drugs and opens people up for personal experimentation in their pursuit of less pain, better mobility, or even a high (not dissimilar to the way teen agers experiment with alcohol today to learn the limits of the substance that is legally off limits to them).

Education and decriminalization of drugs is the answer. And also consider the cost savings if drugs were legalized and redily available in any corner store. Some people really need pain killers. Let them be the judge of the matter and select the doses that fit their purposes, and hire a MD if they are not comfortable judging for themselves. But certainly, users of drugs do not deserve to go to prison, or to die at the hand of the crime lords that now sell them.

Also, in the same way that legalization of alcohol during prohibition caused prices to drop on good and safe alcohol products which helped keep more people safe from blindness from drinking moonshine or rubbing alcohol or kerosene, so too the legalization of drugs would make good quality pain killers and steroids less costly and more readily avilable to more people. Thereby enabling people to buy better known high quality products where the dosages and effectivnesses are established and known.

Education and legalization of drugs is the answer. People won’t buy the dangerous junk that knocks out their kidneys and liver if they can buy quality products and be educated on the safe and effective doses.

Legalize ALL DRUGS. Not some. ALL. And educate people on safe and effective dosages.

Think about some of the arguments made against legalizing drugs - kids can get them, people can OD.

Kids can buy a can of spray paint for $2 and huff it legally anytime now. That tears the shit out of their brain. I’d rather see them get high on pot or drunk on beer. And I’d rather, as a parent, be the one to advise my kids on how to safely judge safe alcohol intake - and the importance of not driving while drunk. Why push them to experiment on what's available - like huffing paint experimentally? That’s dangerous.

Legalize all drugs and educate people to safe and effective dosages. I think that’s the answer. I know I didn't counter many of your argument points. I'm not good at that.
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overcriminalized · 817 weeks ago

Frank,

Sorry if I rambled too much before, but I'd like to make one point clear.

There shouldn't be a war on drugs. Drugs are not the enemy. And most drugs for which people are now arrested are legally available through medical prescriptions - incuding cocain and heroine - both of which are safer than crack or meth or any number of designer methamphetomines. So, it isn't surrender to decriminalize drugs. I'm just saying that decriminalization is the way to remove the criminal enterprise associated with drugs.

Only economic forces can effectively defeat the illegal drug black market. THere are many parallels between the alcohol prohibition of the 1920's and the current war on drugs. Just think about it please.
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While I appreciate the time you've taken to state your case, I don't see where you addressed any of the pitfalls to legalization that I mentioned in my essay. You've restated the same case that others make, and left my questions and concerns largely unanswered. If I were the lawmaker charged with this decision, I'd need all of my specific points (and probably more) addressed directly or I'd rule against you. The same is true in this kind of debate environment. So, for example, I spoke directly to the idea that legalizing drugs doesn't get rid of the opportunities for crime and illegal drugs. I shared how criminals would adapt in the new environment. You didn't address that point at all, and you need to if you're going to convince other people (and decision makers) that your perspective is the right one. I'd love it if you'd respond again, and try to speak directly to some of my chief concerns.
Presumably the point of making drugs illegal is to reduce harm to society. There can be no other philosophically sound reason for doing so. Thus the question becomes this: does the regulated, but largely free and legal flow of drugs create more harm than the current regime of "War on Drugs?" Given all the lives that are lost (and not just American ones) in the drug wars, all the people who are imprisoned for mere possession (and as a result are suffering far greater harm than the drug's effect), and all the money which is spent trying to prohibit something for which there is an intense demand, it seems like a regime of free and regulated is the far less harmful regime.

Your argument also presumes that the war on drugs reduces consumption over what it might be otherwise. The facts on the ground (prices of marijuana and cocaine having fallen steadily over 20 years) suggest otherwise.

So if your expensive war on drugs isn't deterring consumption, and is causing more human misery than the drugs themselves, what exactly is the ostensible purpose of this un-winnable war? How can it possibly be making society better-off?
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Pharmacist · 772 weeks ago

Start here: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080
You have just wasted a good portion of your life creating this argument. You constantly state that the legalization argument falls apart and doesn't take into consideration human nature. You provide not a single shred of empirical evidence. You also use multiple ad hominem attacks, such as using the word "stoners" to try and undermine the argument against your own. It is not just stoners. Libertarians and other proponents of liberalism are for the legalization of drugs.

A few points for you to think about while you learn how to formulate an argument. I'm not going to waste my time on someone who has yet to thoroughly research the topic. Drug decriminalization has been shown to decrease the rates of crime and poverty in multiple countries throughout the world. Netherlands and Portugal are excellent examples of this. They also happen to have lower rates of drug use among teenagers than the United States. You also need to do some studying into the science of addiction according to the various substances. You need to be able to differentiate between the acute and chronic adverse effects of ethanol, THC, heroin, cocaine, etc... Once you have reviewed these, you will understand the lack of justification for the legalization of tobacco and alcoholic products in the United States versus marijuana or cocaine.

A simple economics class may help you as well. Despite the fact that the quantity demanded of nicotine products has not completely disappeared, it has significantly decreased in the United States. The prime contributor of this was the increase in price of the product through taxation. It currently costs around $9 for 20 cigarettes in New York City. Now, the addiction potential for nicotine is just about chemically equivalent to that of heroin. If the demand curve for nicotine can change due to changes in price, then so can the demand curve for heroin. Prices would also be significantly lower if the market was legalized because more suppliers would enter the market, just as you mentioned happened with marijuana. Prices would reach an equilibrium based upon how much the government taxes the substance. They could use that money for say, drug treatment programs that have been shown to be effective. Drug related crime would also significantly drop, as it has shown to do in the respective countries, because the market would be be made transparent. Agents operating within the market would be able to utilize our relatively low corrupt legal system to seek redress when applicable.

All of this is clearly stated in the argument given by Jeffrey Miron. You provide absolutely no evidence to support your argument except for your opinions.

"That wouldn't have any negative impact on our economy or society, would it? And before you talk about punishment for those who break the rules, if I hear you right, you're talking about a form of criminalizing drug use again...interesting catch 22, huh?).

You set up an embarrassingly weak straw man here. Pilots would fall under the supervision and employment of whatever company they work for. Do you think airlines would allow their pilots to easily consume drugs before operating aircraft? No! That is why they try to minimize the negative public image displayed when a pilot gets caught drinking alcohol. The employer has an economic incentive not to allow pilots to fly intoxicated.

Not a single one of your opinions is supportable, and in fact, they are morally reprehensible. You stand in the way of public health with your position. Decriminalization allows drug users to come out in the open and seek help. They also are more likely to seek clean needles and medical treatment without fear of criminal retribution. People die less and experience less drug-induced diseases and adverse events. Why? Because now they can go to their doctor or pharmacist and ask questions about safety. Now they know exactly how much of the drug they are consuming when they are using. Now they know what is in the drug they are using.

THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THE DECRIMINALIZATION OF DRUGS RESULTS IN AN INCREASE IN DRUG USE.
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Dude, you're messed up! Not only is YOUR tone the nasty one, but you seem to forget that you're reading a blog. So of course the guy is sharing his opinion on things, not just pushing facts. I happen to agree with most of what he said and predicted. And nobody cares how YOU think arguments should be structured. It's clear from your tone that you came in with a pro-legalization agenda, and had no intention of considering (or legitimately addressing) any of the author's concerns.

I also want to know why you are comparing what happens in the US to any other country. We're not like any other country. We have our own ways and problems, and our people don't conform to the models of people from other countries. Hell, people in my NEIGHBORHOOD barely conform to each other, much less people in Portugal. We kill more, waste more, rape more, and destroy the environment more than any other country you can name. So whatever conclusion you draw about those other countries is probably not the same for us.

Here's the bottom line for me and why I think the author is right and you're just a douche: you want to gamble on legalizing drugs based on studies, and ignorant of the basic nature of Americans which you can see in our crime rates and the nature of our social problems. Read the news and THERE'S your facts on that. So I don't want you peddling ANY drugs on my street, or at my school, church, pharmacy, etc until you can give me a 100% guarantee that everything the author worried/speculated about isn't going to happen. America is screwed up enough without adding more drug problems to the mix.

And lastly, why the heck do you need drugs in the first place? People who use drugs are a mystery to me...is there ever a reason to get high?
Hey there, interesting debate everyone. However, before I state my opinion I'd like to make it clear that 1) I have NEVER tried illegal drugs, and 2) I have NEVER had any problems with the law, go to school get better than average grades etc. etc. average comfortable life.
However, I have drunk alcohol quite a bit (only on special occasions), it has never affected my grades and I don't feel addicted at all... Cigarettes are legal, and yet I don't smoke and don't plan on smoking. Nevertheless, I do plan on trying marijuana and/or other drugs at a musical festival this summer to celebrate the end of my exams.
I'm worried that what I'm buying won't be what I ask for, I'm worried that I'll be arrested and I'm worried that the source of the drug is unethical.
I know the risks, I've read all over the internet, I've had it pummelled into me, just the same way I have been indoctrinated with the bad effects of alcohol and tabacco. Yet I ask you, why do I want to do illegal drugs when I could give up the legal ones for life without too much hassle? Surely it's not because I'm curious why they're illegal?
Surely it's not because I kind of want to rebel against the state?
-I wish homeless people didn't steal and commit crimes for alcohol, I wish that people didn't drink themselves to death. But there will always be a percentage of society who will indulge in intoxicating substances... it's the nature of mankind to search for more experiences.
I know I'd be more comfortable if everything was legal, with clear instructions and advice, and I also know that I'd be more comfortable calling for help if I wasn't going to be prosecuted.
If legalisation isn't an option, please let us have decriminalisation (for users)? Although it seems rather half-hearted.
Anyway, excuse my rambling, my motives are selfish, I want all people who are going to take drugs to be safer, everytime I hear of a death because of an elementary error (too much water/not enough water, large dose, rat poison) it saddens me, because that wouldn't have happened if it was legal.

Unless a hardline is going to be taken saying drug users have less right to live than alcohol drinkers and smokers (who consume a lot of health resources in the UK), I don't know, something is illogical in all these laws.

One wonders what would have happened if alcohol was only discovered last year. Would it be legal?
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LawAbidingCitizen · 733 weeks ago

Bottom line: you, and people like you, want to do what they want to do. They don't care if it's illegal, immoral, or just plain stupid. The range of these behaviors goes from speeding on the highway, to littering, to leaving their children home alone, to drinking too much, to trying illegal drugs, to murdering people. And they always have a "good reason". And the rest of us are expected to just suffer the consequences. With this argument, it's always the same thing. Make them legal to solve our problems. Well, which drugs do you want to make legal? Is it all of them? Does it include Meth? Crack? Heroin? Can you really imagine a "safe" casual use of those drugs? And the writer is right. If you hold back any of the drugs, even the worst of the worst, then those are the ones the drug dealers will pedal. If you make them all legal, the drug dealers will cook up new ones that they can sell illegally until someone legalizes those. And again and again and again. Come on. Do you really believe that at some point all the drug dealers will just give up and go home? Or that people will only buy the legal drugs? Stop making excuses for doing bad things. Stop blaming the law for creating illegal behavior. How about just obeying the law, and expecting other people to do the same?

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